Well a quarter is = to 25 and a nickel is = to 5 so we know that there are fewer Nickels than quarters, therefore we know that we should you 4 quarters 5 times to build 5 dollars which is 20 quarters and use the nickels to build up 20 which would 4 since it be (5,10,15,20) counted by 5’s hope that hopes bby bops